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| Author: | James Orr [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:40 pm ] |
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I placed an order with LMI tonight and paid $30 for shipping due to my tortoise bindings. They're already on the expensive side, but $30 for shipping? It was more to ship five bindings than to buy five bindings (but not by much, which is also annoying). I'm entirely confident that I'll get some nice tortoise bindings, but geez. I was thrilled with the $2.50 shipping from John Watkins. |
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| Author: | MSpencer [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:46 pm ] |
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Ouch! Mike |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:55 pm ] |
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They are paying hazmat fees. It isn't their fault. They are at the mercy of the carriers. I recently bought some from a different supplier and paid the same fee. It sucks... but what are you going to do. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:57 pm ] |
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Oh really? That does suck. It'd cost less to drive there to pick it up. Did you like the stuff you got? Where did you get it? |
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| Author: | jhowell [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:15 pm ] |
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I got four sets from Martin Guitar a couple of months ago and did not have to pay the hazmat fee. |
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| Author: | PaulB [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:25 pm ] |
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Welcome to my world. Actually $30 is cheap, I'd be happy with that. |
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| Author: | Kim [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:58 am ] |
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Me to Paul, me to |
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| Author: | LuthierSupplier [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:09 am ] |
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I bought some tortoise shell binding from hanalima.com just to avoid the hazmat fee. But the binding is for ukuleles. It looks like it will work for a guitar, you just have to order more to get enough. But I'm using it on a mandolin, so I didn't mind. Shipping was only $10 from HI. Tracy |
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| Author: | Lillian F-W [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:23 am ] |
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Why is there a hazmat fee attached to plastic bindings? |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:24 am ] |
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Lillian, supposedly, Toroise shell is higly flammable.
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| Author: | af_one [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:28 am ] |
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Order from Martin--I was very pleased. |
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| Author: | Dave White [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Serge Poirier] Lillian, supposedly, Toroise shell is higly flammable. [/QUOTE]
That's what guided The Beagle to the Gallapagos Islands. The flares in the night sky from the self-igniting giant tortoises could be seen from hundreds of miles away  |
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| Author: | Dave White [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 am ] |
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There another one goes! |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:39 am ] |
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Hey Dave... Hey Dave...
Yes, tortoise-shell and ivoroid bindings fall into that category of being highly flammable. Oddly enough, so do ping-pong balls. They're pretty much the same material. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:25 am ] |
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| Author: | old man [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:20 am ] |
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So, were tortoises made of celluloid? Ron |
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| Author: | Natalie [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:11 am ] |
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Hi guys, Natalie from LMI. The tortoise, ivoroid and pearl bindings are celluloid nitrate. This is a highly flammable product and regulated by the Department of Transportation. In order to ship it, we must abide by the DOT rules, be trained to ship it, store it in very expensive cabinets, etc. Nevertheless, we chose to continue to offer it for sale. The $20 fee is a straight pass through fee generated by the carrier. |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:16 am ] |
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Hi Natalie! Thanks for the info! |
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| Author: | Kelby [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:40 am ] |
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Very interesting, Natalie. With shipping, it sounds like plastic bindings are now just as expensive as any wood bindings you can buy -- even LMI's Snakewood, unless you get the highly-figured stuff. Hmmmmmmm. So why are custom buildings still using plastic? That's not sarcastic or rhetorical --- for those purchasing plastic, is it because your clients prefer the plastic look to the wood look, or are you buying it for ease of use? |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:18 am ] |
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I'm using it because I can't think of any wood that looks like tortoise shell If you check out Walker's website, I believe something can definitely
be said for the look of ivroid. I just like a contrast of material at times for texture's sake. That's what I'm more focused on. Texture and look, as opposed to material, regarding design peripherals like binding if we're talking about a guitar. Truth be told, I'm not Mr. Luthier. I haven't produced guitars like most people here. I do a lot of mixed media art though. A coffee table I made uses black wood legs and a copper top that I patinized (gave a patina to). |
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| Author: | Kim [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:52 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dave White] That's what guided The Beagle to the Gallapagos Islands. The flares in the night sky from the self-igniting giant tortoises could be seen from hundreds of miles away [/QUOTE]
Beautiful David, as always your post was most enlightening  Obviously reptilian illumination as an early means of naval navigation is deserving of much greater recognition among the historical maritime fraternity. I for one remain most disappointed that this had not been bought to my attention earlier.
Cheers Kim |
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| Author: | Mario [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:04 pm ] |
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it sounds like plastic bindings are now just as expensive as any wood bindings Not correct. TS and ivoroid are celluloid, which is a very close cousin of TNT. Plain white and black bindings and purflings are not celluloid, and are not flammable. I have a lot of clients who prefer plastics over wood bindings. No woods look like TS bindings or ivoroid, or the pure white and plain black. Plastics are better on fretboards, also, as they don't get grungy-looking like light colored woods do. Plastics also protect against bumps and dings better. Since I've always cut my own wood bindings, even flamed maple bindings have always been cheaper than plastics for me. Wood bindings have always seemed easier to install, for me, since we can use plain 'ol wood glue. So, the choice is not always about costs or ease; sometimes,we choose plastics simply because they are better for the situation. |
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| Author: | James Orr [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:07 pm ] |
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Oops btw - I totally understand about the shipping cost now. |
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| Author: | Kim [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:27 pm ] |
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Shhhhhhhh!
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| Author: | Mario [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:35 pm ] |
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Nitro lacquer, once cured, is but a solid film of an inert substance; safe even for children's toys. And I believe there are no nitrates in today's' nitrocellulose lacquers. But nitric acid is still a primary ingredient in celluloid plastics. It is this that won it its haz-mat rating. The bindings, once installed, have less than half of their original surface area exposed, and are encased by the finish, anyhow. A little edumacating goes a long way towards making sense of things.... Stop picking on the suppliers. |
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